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Alternate Realities: Double or Nothing

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4.811.8K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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As soon as Alternate Realities publishes, Zach Mack calls his dad to hear his reactions to the series. The conversation takes an unexpected turn, launching them into another year-long experiment.

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0:00.0

Hey, I'm Kelly McEvers, and this is Embedded from NPR.

0:05.0

Earlier this year, we put out a series called Alternate Realities.

0:08.5

And if you haven't listened, you will want to go back and do that before listening to this episode.

0:14.1

Just to remind you what happened in the series, reporter Zach Mack was struggling with his father,

0:20.4

who had gone deep into a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

0:24.3

Zach's family was kind of bawling apart because of his dad's beliefs.

0:28.7

And then one day his father gives him a list of ten conspiracy theories that he said would come true by the end of 2024.

0:37.0

And Zach took the bet, hoping it would be a way of understanding

0:40.7

his father better and maybe getting him to change the way he thinks. But when his dad lost the

0:47.9

bet, he refused to believe he was wrong in any way. Still, Zach has not given up on changing his father's mind.

0:57.8

And today, Zach is here to update us with a one episode follow-up.

1:02.1

Zach will take the story from here.

1:05.5

After alternate realities was out for the world to hear. Pretty much everyone I've ever met

1:10.9

and a lot of people I've never met

1:12.8

reached out to me to ask about the series.

1:15.6

The question I got over and over,

1:18.7

how's your family doing?

1:20.2

And what did they think when they listened?

1:22.4

It helped me make the break that I needed to make.

1:26.1

I called my mom right away.

1:28.5

Hearing it really confirmed that I was making the right decision for me.

1:35.1

My sister was in town visiting me in Brooklyn, and she went on a long walk to listen.

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