Hello, everyone.

Welcome to another edition of the ThoughtWorks Technology podcast.

My name is Rebecca Parsons, the chief technology officer for ThoughtWorks.

And I'm here with one of my co-hosts on the podcast, although she's here

today as a guest, Jamak Deghani. It's great to be here, Rebecca. And we're also joined by

someone who has also been on this podcast before, promote Sidalgi. Thank you, Rebecca. Nice to be

here with you, Zamaq. Thank you both for joining us and what we'd like to

talk about today, and we kind of foreshadowed this in the episode when we had Mark Richards and

Neil Ford talk about their latest book, Software Architecture of the Hard Parts, because both

Schumach and Pramode collaborated with Mark and Neal on

this book to add aspects of data architecture. And so we wanted to get them on this podcast

as well to talk about their experiences with that. So let's start with kind of the mechanics almost. Mark and

Neil have been collaborating with each other for a long time. I do know, promote, you did collaborate

with us on the Building Evolutionary Architecture's book, but how did this collaboration come about? How did you

end up being co-authors on this book?

Do you want to go fast, Zemak? Sure. So Neil and Mark have been working on this material

for a long time. They had a wealth of information to share off the back of their book that they had

written on architectural, kind of foundational concepts in architecture.

Neil invited me to join because at the time, I was working on data mesh as a paradigm shift

in software, I guess, data architecture.

And we wanted to really extend the conversation around architecture to data, and particularly

usage of data in analytics and ML.

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