You are listening to the mortification of spin.

I am Todd Pruitt, as always, with Carl Truman.

I'm the pastor of Church of the Savior in Wayne, Pennsylvania.

Carl, of course, is professor of Church History at Westminster Theological Seminary,

as well as a pastor at Cornerstone OPC.

Now, Carl, we were talking just a minute ago.

Cornerstone has recently reached an enormous milestone as far as OPC churches go.

You now have, what, triple-digit attendance, which makes

you a mega-church within the OPC. Is that right? It does. Three out of four Sundays. I think we're

getting triple digits these days. I like to think of myself as the Rick Warren of the Orthodox

Presbyterian Church world. Or the Joel Osteen of the O'P.C.

And I'm sure there are others who think of me in those terms as well, but possibly for less flattering

reasons. Now, Carl, also, I mean, Carl, look, you write a lot of books, you travel the world

teaching and preaching, and you get into, I mean, you were just in Brazil. You are a celebrity.

I'm not a celebrity. You are a celebrity. I'm a truly important person. You are a celebrity.

But you are a celebrity. When I show up places with you, people act like I walk in with this

celebrity. I mean, people come and get your autograph. I don't, I mean, do I have to remind you of

the incident in Louisville, Kentucky? I think the incident in Louisville, Kentucky was predicated purely on

the fact that they didn't want to speak to you. I wanted an excuse to avoid catching your eye

at that point. That could be. That could be. There is an intimidation factor for sure. But you know, you do. You travel. You've

been to Brazil. I mean, you've been really all over the world. You've spoken in Australia, all kinds.

I mean, I read books. I go to Missouri twice a year to see family. But you're the guy. I mean,

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