Hi, it's Petrina Jones. You know, I've lost count the number of times I've been live on our radio show and I'll be chatting away and just completely lose my train of thought. It's like a rug ripped out from under my feet. I've come to learn that it's a common symptom of perimenopause and menopause, you know, the so-called brain fog that leaves you feeling totally abandoned. But it can be downright embarrassing at times,

leaving you with fears that you'll be seen as incompetent in the workplace. In fact, a recent

HCF survey found more than one third of Aussie women over 45 are concerned about menopause

in the workplace having a negative impact on the perception of their productivity, which leads to my next

guest. Imogen Crump is an editor of the University of Melbourne's research news website and presenter

on ABC TV and really should be applauded for her authenticity when she admitted live on national

TV that she was having a hot flush

and really couldn't push on with her report. Imogen did, I feel, what so many women should

feel safe to do. Enjoy and take inspiration from episode three, The Hagg Witches.

I really want to talk about this.

Let's move on to the Australian.

It has the latest on the Prime Minister to visit to China.

Yes, another pun, Michael.

Big chill, but the PM doesn't pander yet.

So the bilateral meeting between Australia and China, Anthony Albanese and Chinese,

I'm so sorry, I could keep stumbling through this, but I am having such a perimenopausal

of course right now. Live on air, I'm so sorry. Imogen, the point about this is that we need to make it normal

to have these kinds of conversations and I love you for even saying it because we interview people.

We talk to people about this and this is the reality. I don't think hormones respect national television.

It's the furnace of the sun.

That audio there, thanks to ABC TV.

And I do have in the studio, in the flesh, Imogen Crump.

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