The Hacker's Mind
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 7 February 2023
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
How does computer hacking work? When is it good, and when is it bad? And what does it have to teach us about law, politics, and inequality? These are some of the questions that Bruce Schneier, a well-known security expert and lecturer at Harvard's Kennedy School, answers in his new book, “A Hacker's Mind: How the Powerful Bend Society's Rules and How to Bend Them Back.”
Jack Goldsmith sat down with Bruce to discuss what it means to have a hacker's mind, why all systems—not just computer systems—are hackable, how and why the powerful and wealthy are typically the most successful hackers, and what AI will mean for hacking various systems.
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| 0:29.0 | We'll let's figure out that it's best to register your ship in Panama |
| 0:39.0 | and incorporate in Delaware. |
| 0:42.0 | We'll let figure out that double-dutch iris sandwich. |
| 0:46.0 | I remember that hack. |
| 0:47.0 | That was a hack that companies like Google and Apple would use. |
| 0:50.0 | It involves having an Irish company, a Dutch company, |
| 0:54.0 | and an offshore American company like in the Caribbean. |
| 0:58.0 | And by moving intellectual property around and other things, |
| 1:02.0 | you're able to avoid all sorts of US tax. |
| 1:05.0 | The ridiculous hack that involved the interplay of the laws of four different jurisdictions. |
| 1:14.0 | Computers are really good at doing that kind of detailed pouring through possibilities and combinations. |
| 1:24.0 | So we could imagine computers that can find new taxable holes. |
| 1:30.0 | And that to me is really interesting, because it changes the nature of hacking. |
| 1:36.0 | I'm Jack Goldsmith and this is the LawFair podcast of February 7, 2023. |
| 1:42.0 | How does computer hacking work? |
| 1:44.0 | When is it good and bad? |
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