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Welcome to the Gun the After Show, the part where we, well, actually I don't even know how you describe this. I got Michelle, I got Jim, I got me, Guys, what, why do we do this?

It's fun.

It's fun!

What else do you want to talk about for four hours?

That's right, we do this because we just can't stand to go home or maybe

it's because the people at home don't want us to come here. I'm not sure why.

They change the locks on me. I think they're trying to tell me something. That's

that's the whole deal.

It's going, I don't know what's going on here, but we're going to do something.

Oh, I want to talk about cyber security at some point, but we'll get to that in a few minutes here.

There's a, it's actually going to make sense.

I'm going to circle back around.

We're going to get to cyber security and guns there at some point.

But I do want to take Michael's call first because he's been patiently waiting for us and I

appreciate your patience Michael in Fresno California how are you sir? I'm doing

good how about you? Excellent I thank you for calling. Yeah, I was just calling in.

I heard you on the radio.

I heard that you wanted to talk to people that were not fans of guns.

Sure.

Yeah, I worked security for about six years and so and I never chose to work with a gun.

I started an organization and what we do is we make non-lethal weapons but right now we only do it on video games you know digital video games we make non-lethal weapons but but we've done you know invented weapons that wouldn't like

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