You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan continues the conversation with Jeanette White, program director here at the

Allender Center, about the realities of grief and loss, particularly in the context of the devastation of miscarriages and infertility.

Dan and Jeanette are joined by their partners, Becky Allender and Campbell White, to talk about the pain of shared heartache in marriage.

This is a vital and vulnerable conversation, and we are so grateful to Jeanette, Campbell, and Becky for joining

Dan to share their experiences with all of us.

Well, we've been dealing with a very difficult topic with Jeanette and me and the topic

of infertility and miscarriages.

And we felt like it was imperative to bring this discussion into conversation with our

partners with Campbell and with Becky.

And so we have four of us today talking about what happens through the process of addressing

the heartache and complications that come with miscarriage and with infertility.

And Becky and I went through, let's say, what felt like about a decade.

And you both have gone through really quite a story that our listeners

have heard over the last two weeks

so Campbell Becky thank you for joining us

welcome it's good to be here

yeah I'm excited to join the conversation and sit next to Jeanette while we try to take people into it.

Well, let me start with you, Campbell.

Tell me a bit about what you would want any couple going through the experience of miscarriage or through infertility.

And particularly people who we know from 40 some years ago, I mean, these issues were not

talked about. And I would say it's certainly better than it was four decades ago when we were going through this experience.

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