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We have with us today, Daniel Mahoney, well known to first things readers and listeners.

We had him on the podcast last year. He's a meritist professor now at Assumption College,

whose many writings include the books, the conservative foundations of the liberal order,

the other Solzhenitsyn and the idol of our age.

He has a new book out entitled The Statesman as Thinker.

Portraits of Greatness, Courage, and Moderation.

That is our topic today.

Welcome, Professor Mahoney.

Thank you, Mark. Very happy to be back again.

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