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It drives me crazy that nobody else thinks about risk in this way. People look at my life and they're like, well, you're crazy. You're such a risk taker. Well, at least I'm taking the risks that I'm choosing. Because think of all the people that like go out partying every weekend and they get buzzed and they drive home and even sedentary people who are like, well, I don't take risk. I stay home and I play video games. No, you're at a much higher risk of heart disease.

Like, they're taking all kinds of risk that they're not actually choosing to take. And you're still going to freaking die either way. So you might as well take smart calculated risks and do all the things that you want to do. And at least die happy when you go. He's done it. Alex Honnold has made history again. Scaling one of the world's tallest skyscrapers.

But the conclusion that a lot of people have arrived at is that you don't experience fear. Because when they look at these two brain scans, your amygdala's lighting up less when you're showing scary images. I actually hate all the brain stuff because people always put me in this box. Like, well, you're different. And I'm like, well, not really. I a middle-class suburban kid. Nobody in my family is athletic.

I just, after 20 years of climbing five days a week and being really freaking scared,

I respond differently than an average person. And there was tons of emotional turmoil throughout it. Periods where you're just like, I'm trying so hard, and I'm just like not as good as I want to be. You know, I was like living in a car. I had like a couple hundred bucks a month for 10 years.

Like that's challenging.

But you just can't master your craft overnight.

I guess that's what people don't see.

And so how did you create the conditions to out persist other people and then in all your career when is the moment where you were most scared

on an expedition to antarctica i kept hoping that it's going to get better and it just kept getting

worse like i could die do you have a conversation with your partner before you go and do something

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