Welcome once again to

again to conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris as always here to talk about what I believe is an important issue an issue that's affected so many of you out there.

If you're from a liberal state as I've lived in a liberal state for years I'm in New York actually right now as I record this a lot of your friends probably don't live where you live now they probably moved to places like Tennessee, Idaho, Texas, North Carolina, states that are more free,

states where they don't have to pay quite as many taxes. And this has of course affected my relationships,

but if you're living in one of those states,

you've had an influx of people from California

and New York and other parts of the Pacific Northwest and the Northeast.

And so you're probably watching your community change significantly.

And I haven't really talked about this much on the podcast,

but some people call this the Great Sort.

And today I want to explore why is this happening?

Should we be part of it? Should you try to take a stand where you live or should you move?

We're going to just explore the dynamics of it. Where is this going? What does the future look like as a result of this? Politically, socially. So with me to discuss this is my friend Josh Abat. Josh Abbottoy is the managing director of new founding. He's the executive director of American reformer and

he's a partner at Ridge Runner which is a company that is actually trying to help facilitate this great

sort and really solve the issue of conservative stuck in liberal places.

So Josh, with that, thank you so much for being on with me and talking about this.

Morning, John.

Great to be here.

So let's start here.

You are the managing director at New Founding and I know we were talking off

camera about how New Founding is attempting to solve some of these issues. Issues like

I'm a conservative family and there's millions of people like me.

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