Welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast Trail Talk Edition. I am enjoying a beautiful day at a

Sony State Park in South Carolina. It's about 70 degrees out and it's so much different than the weather I had yesterday as I flew

from New York with my jacket on to Charlotte, North Carolina. I am going to be

flying out of Monroe, Louisiana on Saturday.

And in this whole period of time, I have six different interviews I'm doing for the 1607 project.

And so it's a pretty grueling schedule except for today.

Today is the one day I had a little bit of time and so I decided to go on a hike which I'm

enjoying and I also decided to stop off at a local university and I guess people can probably

figure it out I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say what university but you could probably

figure it out based on what I already said where I am. I ended up going there

to just get some really quick B-roll because they have some good examples of

some federal period architecture.

And I thought, well, that might go with the 1607 project.

And while I was there, I noticed a sign that two students had set up at a table and it said believers for

racial unity. Now I want to ask you have you ever been in a situation where

you didn't know what to say. You wanted to challenge

something that was wrong. So in this case social justice, but what do you say? How do

you challenge it? Where do you even start? And I'm not, you know, even though I've written books on this, I'm not immune from that. I still have those thoughts. I don't want to go lecture someone I don't want to push them you know so far in the opposite direction because I'm aggressive I don't want to and of course no one's perfect but I don't want to stay silent either when I have an opportunity and I thought this is an opportunity.

So what did I do? So here's hopefully something that will be instructive. I went up to them and the

young lady who was there very nice offered me a jolly rancher. Maybe my one mistake is I shouldn't have had a jolly rancher as I'm trying to

talk to them because your mouth turns into a black hole but other than that especially

the sour green one I think I got. I started off just by asking her about their club.

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