Today on The Grave Talks, we continue our conversation about the haunting of the Humbered Historic Bar and Hotel with owners Matt Hawks and Elizabeth Havener.

And one of the stories I saw, and I think it was on the website, it's about one of the rooms has what's known as the creeper, which of course that gives me the

jeeps, just anything called the creeper. But what is that all about? So what are, what's, what are they

experiencing in that room? The, the creeper is that black mass entity that my husband's, so that's what,

that's what you saw right off the bat then.

Yeah, the first...

I mean, we'd only been in the property, like minutes, really.

Before we saw them.

Before I saw it go past the doorway.

A lot of people have seen it in one specific room in the hotel, and they've seen it like...

In other spots, though.

No, no.

But there's one, like, specific room where people have, like, reported it going across the wall and the ceiling.

It's also been seen in the bar.

I've seen it in our house, too. I mean, you know, it has been

seen in multiple places. We call it the creeper because of its nature of creeping up the wall,

creeping down the floor and everything like that. And I think it was even given the name

the creeper before we came in. Well, yeah, because before we came in, I was watching a YouTube video of some paranormal people

that had been here before.

They reported seeing it upstairs in the hotel, but we don't get any bad vibes from it.

I have a theory on it on the creeper.

The creeper is in, it's kind of weird.

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