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The Godfather of the Anti-Immigration Movement

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4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 29 July 2019

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

How did a small-town eye doctor mastermind an anti-immigration movement premised on racism?

Guest: Hassan Ahmad, founder of the HMA Law Firm in Virginia. He is suing the University of Michigan to unseal the complete archives of the late John Tanton.

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0:00.0

Hassan Ahmad likes figuring things out, solving puzzles.

0:09.1

Yeah, I guess I'm a bit of a fixer.

0:11.6

You know, I like to try to figure out what the reason is behind something and understand, like, the patterns.

0:17.2

I mean, at the end of the day, I think...

0:18.6

He speaks eight languages, like French and Spanish, but also Urdu, Mandarin, a little

0:24.7

Cantonese on the side.

0:25.8

I am, I can do business in them, yeah.

0:28.7

If you can recognize the patterns, then you can speak the language.

0:33.5

Looking for patterns helps to sign out in his day job as an immigration lawyer.

0:43.0

He says, getting people into this country, making sure they can stay, it's gotten harder over the last few years.

0:46.9

It started decades ago. Got much worse after 9-11.

0:49.9

Worse again after Donald Trump's election.

0:55.2

And it was that election that made Hassan want to figure out why his job was getting so hard.

0:57.3

It started when he saw this photo. Do you remember that picture of Chris Kolbach right after the election?

1:03.0

He was standing with then-President-elect Trump.

1:05.6

At the time, Trump was meeting with potential cabinet members at his New Jersey estate, shaking

1:10.1

hands with him at the front door. Chris Kobach was there, making the case that he should run the Department

1:15.6

of Homeland Security. And he was advising him on immigration policy for the upcoming administration.

1:22.4

This is like November of 2016. And he forgot to put his strategic plan into his leather folder and you could zoom in

1:29.0

on the page, on the picture, and you could read half the words on the page. I don't know if you

1:32.5

recall that or not.

1:34.1

Kobach's plan included notes about rapidly building a border wall and reducing the intake of

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