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What would you say if you were able to get in a room with Sam Altman and Elon Musk at a table,

which seems even less likely than Putin and Zelensky meeting face to face?

I'd say you know perfectly well

that the stuff you're developing has a good chance of wiping out people. Hi everyone, I'm

Katie Couric and this is next question. When you hear the moniker Godfather of AI, you might think of some malevolent sci-fi character.

But in the real world, this title belongs to Dr. Jeffrey Hinton, my guest today.

He is the scientist whose early work on neural networks cracked to open

the field of artificial intelligence. If that sounds like it's over your head, well, honestly,

it was a bit over mine, but Dr. Hinton graciously explains it for lay people like us.

Last year, Dr. Hinton and another guy named Dr. John Hopfield received the 2024 Nobel Prize

for Physics, an award that honestly kind of surprised them, given the fact that they're not

really physicist.

But the prize is opening doors, he told us. In fact, he has plans to meet with the Pope very soon. Talk about access, right? So in this

interview, we talk about his life's work, some of the pressures he faced as a young person and the

remarkable family he comes from. Talk about Braiacs. Wow. And why he believes

the choices we make right now could actually shape the fate of humanity. So here's my conversation

with Dr. Jeffrey Hinton. Dr. Jeffrey Hinton, thank you so much for spending some time with me today. It's a real honor to be able to talk to you.

Thank you very much for inviting me.

I know that last year you were awarded the 2024 Nobel Prize in Physics jointly with someone named John J. Hotfield for your, quote, foundational discoveries and inventions

that enable machine learning with artificial neural networks. What did it mean to you, Dr. Hinton,

to be honored in this way and have your work recognized? Well, I was actually very surprised that I got it because it's in physics and I don't do physics,

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