Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer.

This is Marianne Sullivan.

And this week's fabulous guest is Nicole Shahneman, who has such a great story to tell about turning a goat farm into a goat sanctuary.

This was such a cool interview.

I'm really excited.

It was a really great story.

Yeah.

And she told it well.

And I just find it very inspiring.

I mean, we talk about this a lot during the interview,

but it's just, I feel like, she did not necessarily agree with this,

but I feel like it's just kind of unusual to see a transformation, as they call them,

among the group of people who are into, like, more sustainable, small farm, local

or animal agriculture. And maybe I'm just not hearing the stories

because she says that, you know, she's not unique. And she did bring up the one about the pigs.

The last pig, was that the name of the movie? And that was true. That was a similar story. And she

said they just don't get the attention. It seems like these people have a lot in common

with animal activists. You know, they're worried about the food system. They're trying to fix the food

system and go down what we consider the wrong road. I find it very seldom. I hear a story of

somebody turning around and saying, no, this isn't the way forward. And that's exactly what they did there at the goat conspiracy, which is just a great name.

Such a good name. Yeah, totally. Well, I'm excited.

It's in Indiana, Bloomington, Indiana. Also, I don't know if this is too boring for people to know about process-wise, but I feel like it's worth saying that for like a very

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