Hey, I haven't seen you since Starbox after that festival. Oh, yeah, we need to hang out with the weather's good

This weekend shopping Saturday Sunday meals then lunch with Oscar next weekend

Thursday night with top cinema next Friday and a most important another one

How about right now perfect Starbucks the new chocolate waffle cone for Appetitino

You read my mind summer hits different with Starbucks subject to availability whilst stocks last

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Maria Conocova's here when Maria Conocova's here usually means we play is that bullshit and maybe that'll come up

You know she'll say something and I'll say that's bullshit

But we're going to talk about now is the episode that we're going to play you

This is a very special Friday edition and Maria has you know her compensation for appearing on the show over the years is nil

So I thought that I could do a solid and play a full episode of her new podcast called the Gryft

Thanks for coming on Maria though in this one instance. It is motivated by self interest

Thank you so much Mike. Tell me about the Gryft where to start

So when I was researching the confidence game for three years

I had so much more material than I could use and

I learned that some of these stories were so just rich from an auditory standpoint because these guys are

Charismatic and they're fascinating and it's hard to capture that on the page because sometimes charisma doesn't

Translate you know I can write the quote and it sounds kind of sleazy. Yeah, but if the same person says it to you

You're like oh my god

What a what a wonderful person how endearing and one of the things I learned over the years is it's often bad to

Interview con artists because you become way too sympathetic to them and you start believing them too much when you go to the con men

Don't they want to not be exposed or are they in some cases reformed or saying they're reformed con men?

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