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Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

The Girl with the Duck Tattoo with Restaurateur Sarma Melngailis

Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.7843 Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

In her book, Sarma tells her story of how a successful businesswoman, co-founder and owner of the acclaimed NYC restaurant Pure Food and Wine and the brand One Lucky Duck, could fall for a con artist using a fictitious name, a covert backstory, and fantastical promises. Humans are social beings, and it’s that social aspect that manipulative and abusive characters can learn to exploit for their self-interest. With an increase in online dating and social media, individuals can be exploited relatively easily without knowing who they are really speaking to. Predators can create false identities. They can also buy profile data on a potential victim they wish to exploit. In addition, some unethical people earn money by teaching men how to manipulate women online using neurolinguistic programming (NLP) / hypnosis. With behind-the-times laws on recognizing and prosecuting coercive control in relationships, often victims like Sarma are blamed for criminal actions occurring as a result of abuse. Sarma Melngailis recounts her side of this traumatic story, ultimately culminating in her imprisonment on Rikers Island. She hopes that people who read her book will gain a better understanding of what happened to her and use it to warn others of their own vulnerability to online predators. She wanted to correct the story told in the Netflix documentary “Bad Vegan: Fame. Fraud. Fugitives.” Exploitative documentaries are often inaccurate, leading to media distortion and public shaming of the survivor.Yes, folks- There ARE one on one cults! Fascinating story.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Steve Hassan with another episode of cults, culture, and coercion.

0:09.3

And I have a friend, a colleague, someone that I've interviewed previously

0:14.8

when a terrible Netflix documentary came out about her story and we were like,

0:22.4

ah, they screwed her over.

0:26.1

And I'll just say, uh, Sarmah Mel Giles has a, her story out.

0:33.6

The girl with the duck tattoo, it's big, but it's got a lot of important stories that I think a lot of people will relate to.

0:45.9

And I'll dare say a lot of women may relate to because I think there's a epidemic of men taught to do hypnosis and NLP in order to victimize women.

0:58.0

That's my...

0:58.5

Yeah, but that is a very scary trend that I'm noticing.

1:02.1

All over the Internet, you know.

1:04.7

And one of the worst perpetrators, his motto is,

1:09.2

if you don't get laid, I don't get paid, and he takes credit

1:12.6

cards, and he says, if it doesn't work, I'll give you your money back. And it's disgusting.

1:20.5

And Andrew Tate has a Russian hypnotist teaching his followers how to traffic women.

1:32.8

And he was invited to Mara Lago by the pedophile in chief.

1:34.2

It's very dangerous.

1:35.6

It's very, very dangerous.

1:37.7

But let me introduce you properly. So what I want to start is you went to Newton North High School, one of the top high schools in the country where my son went and was co-captain of the gymnastics team.

1:50.0

And we lived nearby and we got together.

1:54.4

And I think you had green hair at Newton North.

1:58.4

My son had blue hair, I think.

2:00.6

Mine was green and blue, I mean, at separate

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