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Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

Irene’s Entropy: Coffee as Courage and Ritual as Repair

Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.7843 Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Cults, Culture & Coercion, I had the pleasure of speaking with Irene of Irene’s Entropy. Irene is a mechanical engineer turned musician, storyteller, pilot, and entrepreneur. Raised in a strict Mormon household where she underwent the experience of a recruitment mission, she left in her early 20s. She began documenting the honest rebuild of her identity as Irene’s Entropy.Her work blends songs, narrative, and a recurring symbol, a red door, through which she “walks” whenever she’s ready to learn and change. She calls her audience Door Walkers, and even launched Door Walker Coffee, a liberating nod to the Mormons’ coffee prohibition. Her ongoing experience as an ex-Mormon informs her work today, and Irene’s most vivid description of undue influence comes from her time as a missionary. She explains that the Missionary Training Center (MTC) is where scripts are drilled and identity is re-molded. Irene felt a strong need to reinvent herself after feeling the Mormon church had superimposed an identity onto her. After an intense reevaluation period, Irene decided to walk through the red door. Challenging herself to a new field of study, she pursued an engineering degree and worked up to an aerospace career to prove she could. Other critical personal changes followed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Steve Hassan with another episode of cults, culture, and coercion.

0:09.9

I have with me Irene of Irene's entropy, musician, an astrophysicist.

0:20.7

No, you're not an astroysicist, no, you're not an astro-stasystasy,

0:21.8

you did astrospace mechanical engineering and piloting.

0:28.0

We're going to get into it.

0:29.6

Forgive me for not reading the bio specifically.

0:32.9

But you grew up as a Mormon, and we're really into it.

0:38.3

And you decided to name your journey Irene's entropy

0:43.8

because you'll explain the details,

0:46.6

but you decided to exit it and into like,

0:52.0

who am I and what is reality and what am I doing and confronted your phobias

0:58.1

and we're going to have you explain that too but I want to just plug since you don't have a book

1:04.2

yet your red door door walk's coffee line.

1:13.2

So I have several of these.

1:21.2

And I got to meet you in person with your ecologist husband for your special thing golfing with Irene.

1:22.6

And even though I couldn't get the damn putt even to go in without using my foot at the end,

1:29.5

which was kind of funny.

1:31.3

Anyway, you're a fascinating woman.

1:34.1

You write songs.

1:35.5

You're a musician.

1:37.4

You're a multidisciplinary creator, engineer, entrepreneur.

1:42.2

And I'm so happy to have you on my podcast to share your journey with us.

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