So we are in session, but before I get started, will you raise that issue again and let's have the whole group in on it?

Because that was interesting what you brought up.

Want to start with that real quick?

Yeah, you want to do what you start?

Yeah, just explain, just tell the group what you said to me and let's get that sorted out. Okay, so in the council of Trent, the church says that,

condemn the proposition that without grace you have to sit.

And then, which is consistent with Dr. Trump's remarks.

And then in the second condemnation of jansmism in the early 18th century,

the post-issues of the bull that could get into the proposition that without grace, you cannot do good.

So the implication being that you can do good without

Right, and what I said is that that's not to espouse Pelagianism.

There's a distinction in the neighborhood here, and it goes like this.

There's an evaluation of an action as good

with respect to the action type that it is.

And then there's an evaluation of an action as done by an agent

in circumstances at a time.

So you can think about it this way.

Telling the truth is a good action. So you can think about it this way.

Telling the truth is a good action.

But if your friend who's been so depressed and so miserable

and is always teetering on the edge of suicide,

says to you, do you think this dress looks nice on me

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