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40 minutes of massive football debate to follow

including Arsenal's humiliation at Old Trafford, Chelsea's win over plucky Norwich,

God that sounds patronizing doesn't it? And footballing philanthropy.

What on earth is Samuel the Toe doing?

With me to discuss all this, it's Ben Smith, it's Allison Rod,

and of course from lovely Rippenden,

it's Mr. Ollie K. So how about we begin?

I imagine you all expect me to start at Old Trafford with United's historic 8-2 win over Arsenal and that's exactly what we'll do.

But Ollie, I want to start with you and what I would like to do is before we inevitably begin our inquest on on on arsenal.

I want to talk a little bit about Manchester United because I thought they were actually

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