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This is a podcast from The Times. Go to The Times. Go to the Times.co. UK. This is a game podcast bonus and I'm joined by Rory Smith who's the latest addition to our football crew at the times. And Roy, whenever you meet people who are in our line of work, I'm kind of saying like we're all extremely fortunate

I think to be doing this job. But I like to know it, when you were a kid, what did you want to do?

Because the reason I asked this is our leader, Ollie Kay,

when he was a child, he was very clear on what he wanted to do.

He ran massive simulations. He designed this football board game for like the

1986 World Cup and he still kept meticulous statistics of every team and stuff like

that. Were you also sort of football sick or did you have a slightly like

Ollie and myself like we were or did you have a slightly healthier outlook? I suspect

probably more on the football sick side than the healthy outlook side.

I mean I did do other things as a child. I'm not quite that kerosaki and level of obsessiveness

that Olyton put up. But now I, yeah, when I was a kid I wanted to be a footballer. I think that's probably the one thing that unites all football journalists that they all wanted to be footballers. And then you realize you can't, you're rubbish, so you end up sort of looking for something else to do in the game and I don't

know it's it was always been a there's no sort of fascinating backstory about what I

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