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Hi, Rory here. With so much happening in the world of AI this week, both AI-powered attacks on Iran with Astropics fight with the Pentagon, I've been very lucky to be able to sit down with Matt Clifford again in our exclusive AI miniseries, where we will be talking about defense, security, geopolitics, and even some practical tips on how AI can improve your business.

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content that we produce. A lot of our conversations over the last few episodes, you have

brought back to geopolitics, and in particular, the changing and challenging

relationship between Europe and the United States under President Trump.

I'm really intrigued by how you think about the sort of core principles that are at stake

in this Anthropic DoD deal.

And the reason I want to do it is that I think right now, because Anthropic is sort of the

liberal, coded, slightly European, hence the question that we answered, but a lot of people

like, this is outrageous, you know, this is DoD trying to overturn reasonable ethical company

drawing red lines around the product.

But I want to do a thought experiment for you, which is, imagine Camel Harris has been elected.

Elon Moss says, of course you can use Starlink in defense.

By the way, no one else has anything like it.

But here are my red lines about how you're going to use it, and they're

deeply ethically based. And in particular, my number one issue is I don't want it used for anything that could increase the likelihood of a nuclear event in Ukraine. And therefore, you're not going to use it for blah, blah, blah, blah. I think the same people who are protesting now that Heggsath service step would be saying, why could it, should a private company be setting red lines over what a democratically elected government does with the technology.

Yeah, I think that's right. now that Hegseth's overstep would be saying, why should a private company be setting red lines over what a democratically elected government does with the technology?

Yeah, I think that's right.

And I think at some level, the philosophical position that Hegseth holds, which is that

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