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The Next Big Idea

The Future of Storytelling, According to Malcolm Gladwell

The Next Big Idea

Next Big Idea Club

Self-improvement, Arts, Books, Society & Culture, Education

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 26 September 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Next week, Malcolm Gladwell will be on the show to discuss his new book "Revenge of the Tipping Point: Overstories, Superspreaders, and the Rise of Social Engineering." In anticipation of that conversation, we're revisiting our 2021 interview with Malcolm about "The Bomber Mafia" — the story of a group of pilots who met on a muggy airbase in central Alabama and hatched a plan to revolutionize warfare. 🎟️ We're hosting a live taping on Oct. 10. Daniel Pink will chat with Adam Moss, former editor of New York magazine, about his recent book "The Work of Art: How Something Comes From Nothing." Learn more and grab tickets at nextbigideaclub.com/events

Transcript

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LinkedIn presents.

0:06.0

Yesterday I sat down with Malcolm Gladwell to talk about his new book,

0:10.8

Revenge of the Tipping Point, which comes out on October 1st.

0:15.6

It's a sequel, but not the kind you might expect.

0:19.4

Malcolm doesn't just rehash the theory of social epidemics, put forth in his first book which you probably read the tipping point published in 2000.

0:28.0

He expands on it, challenges it, digs into the dark side of the idea he popularized.

0:35.0

And in true Gladwell fashion, he does it by weaving together wild stories.

0:41.0

Like how a 1970s TV miniseries change the way Americans think about the Holocaust,

0:47.0

how a movie-star handsome Florida man built Medicare out of a billion dollars.

0:53.0

Stories that seem unrelated, but that in Gladwell's hands

0:57.0

come together to form an irresistible argument.

1:01.0

During our chat, Malcolm said something that stuck with me.

1:05.0

In my experience there are a few things more pleasurable than having the opportunity to update your knowledge of the world. the

1:13.0

knowledge of the world,

1:15.0

amend your preconceptions,

1:18.0

or just flat out, find out that you were wrong.

1:20.0

It's like an opportunity to start over the experience you know as a kid you would read a book and you I would read a book and I would read a book and I would read a book and I would misunderstand it then I'd read it a second time and I'd, oh, that was the killer, you know, that kind of thing.

1:37.0

I've never gotten over the kind of particular pleasure that comes from reversing your kind of understanding.

1:44.7

That idea, the pleasure of realizing you're wrong.

1:49.0

It's at the heart of Malcolm's work.

1:51.2

He's constantly challenging our assumptions, making us see the world in new ways.

1:56.4

Which brings me back to my last conversation with Malcolm about his book, The Bomber Mafia.

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