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slash voxpod this is recode media peter kofka that is me and today i've got i want to i've been calling this a grab bag episode, but that's not flattering. It's an episode with variety, a bunch of different things going on here. It's all free. You're going to like it, trust me. At the top, I've got a chat with Zach Weinberg. He's an entrepreneur who sold his first company for $80 million. He sold his second one for two billion dollars he's building something else right now but that's not why you know him you know him

because he's on your Twitter or your TikTok or maybe your YouTube, depancing crypto guys for fun, not for profit. He just goes on and debates Web 3 advocates. And so far remains, I think, undefeated. He's a really fascinating character.

He's the kind of person the Internet delivers to you, even though you didn't know you wanted it.

We talk about why he's doing it, his actual issues and criticisms of Web 3, and why he's doing this stuff for fun, even though it is literally not his day job.

I think you will enjoy it.

And then I've got two conversations I taped last week at the Collision Conference in Toronto. It's nice to see you guys.

Thanks for saying hi. And I need to preface both of these conversations with a couple notes.

The first conversation is with Substack CEO Chris Best. We talked about the evolution of his company

and his product. And I asked him specifically what his life was going to be like, given that they had gone out to try to raise money and were unsuccessful, and New York Times had written about all that.

And he answered me, but he did not tell me that he planned on laying off 14% of his company, which he did just today on Wednesday as I'm taping this.

So keep that in mind as you hear him talk with me.

Then I also talk with ABC News boss Kim Godwin, who's been on the job for a year. And we talked

about sort of the existential dilemma of trying to be a broadcast news operation when a significant

chunk, maybe a significant minority of the country, is not interested in news or facts

are certainly hearing things that don't fit their worldview. We did talk about the January

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