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The Future of Consciousness: Navigating the Intersection of Spirituality and AI. With Stephen Dinan.

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Health & Fitness

4.2772 Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Today our guest is Stephen Dinan, founder of the Shift Network, and author of the book Sacred America, Sacred World, Fulfilling our mission in service to all. He founded the Shift Network in 2010, and today it delivers virtual summits, courses, training in areas related to spirituality, peace, holistic health, psychology, sustainability and more. One of my favorite courses was with Penelope Smith in Animal Communication. 

Stephen is a graduate of Stanford University where he studied human biology, but in this conversation he shares his transformative journey from a scientifically inclined atheist to a seeker of higher consciousness, exploring diverse spiritual traditions and the potential of, what he refers to as, wise AI. We discuss the evolution of consciousness, the role of AI in our spiritual journey, and how we can collectively move towards a more unified and awakened humanity. It’s an interesting dialogue that invites us to explore what is unknown.

As always, we’re Untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain sensing headband that transforms your brain. Use code Untangle15 for your discount at choosemuse.com

Resource: Theshiftnetwork.com

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