The Future of Abortion: Frances Kissling On Moving Forward In A Post-Roe World
The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum
Meghan Daum
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🗓️ 9 May 2022
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
Last week, a draft of a Supreme Court opinion indicating that the court was poised to overturn the landmark abortion decision Roe V. Wade was leaked to the press. Supporters of abortion rights—and, technically speaking, that means the majority of Americans—were stunned and deeply dismayed by the news, with social media users predicting the coming of a Handmaids's Tale-style dystopia and and oped pieces decrying red state legislators as misogynist bigots. In the hopes of having a sober-minded conversation about practical, realistic ways to keep abortion accessible in a post-Roe world, Meghan called upon activist, ethicist and policy expert Frances Kissling. A longtime prominent figure in the fight for abortion rights, Kissling has been called "the philosopher of the pro-choice movement." She ran an abortion clinic in New York City in the early 1970s before the passage of Roe, when the procedure was only legal in a handful of states. Later she was the founding President of that National Abortion Federation and after that served for 25 years as president of Catholics for Choice. In this is remarkable interview, Kissling talks about the history of Roe, the emotions surrounding it on both sides, the validity of the arguments on both sides of the issue, and why, despite the current tumult and distress, overturning Roe is not going to set the nation back to pre-1973. As she sees it, it's time to shift the focus away from legislation in red states and focus on how blue states can serve women from all over the country.Guest Bio:
Frances Kissling is currently President of the Center for Health, Ethics and Social Policy in Washington, DC and a professor of philosophy and ethics. She was the president of Catholics for Choice from 1982 to 2007 and has been working in the abortion rights movements since the very early 1970s.
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| 0:00.0 | We are not helpless. |
| 0:07.0 | My side is not helpless. |
| 0:09.0 | Even in this situation, we are not helpless. |
| 0:13.0 | This is a big blow, and this means a lot of work. |
| 0:19.0 | The first step is to put your eye on the states where abortion is going to continue to be legal |
| 0:27.6 | and to do everything you can in those states to make it more available and more accessible. |
| 0:35.6 | That's what you have to do. |
| 0:38.3 | That's it. |
| 0:39.3 | We have half the same. |
| 0:41.3 | So instead of concentrating on the half, |
| 0:44.3 | and don't ignore the same, you know, go ahead, go and demonstrate and, you know, |
| 0:49.3 | try to elect officials and you can do all of that stuff, but concentrate on your strengths, not your weaknesses. |
| 0:58.2 | And our strengths are the states where abortion is going to continue to be legal. |
| 1:07.8 | Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Dome. As you're almost certainly aware, last week, a draft of a Supreme Court opinion indicating that the court was poised to overturn Roe versus Wade, the landmark decision legalizing abortion, was leaked to the press. The unprecedented leak of a Supreme Court document was shocking |
| 1:29.3 | in and of itself, but supporters of abortion rights, and that includes technically the majority |
| 1:34.6 | of Americans, were stunned and dismayed by the news. I'm about as pro-choice as you can get, |
| 1:40.6 | so I was also dismayed, if not exactly surprised. And I was newly incentivized to do |
| 1:46.7 | something I've been meaning to do since I started this podcast, which is to have a sober-minded |
| 1:51.4 | conversation about practical, realistic ways to keep abortion accessible in a post-row world. |
| 1:59.2 | So I called Francis Kissling. |
| 2:01.4 | Francis is a longtime activist in the abortion rights movement and ran an abortion clinic |
| 2:06.3 | in New York City in the early 1970s before the passage of Roe when the procedure was only legal |
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