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American Thought Leaders

The Forgotten Wisdom of the Declaration of Independence | Matthew Spalding

American Thought Leaders

The Epoch Times

Politics, Government, News

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 February 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Matthew Spalding is a professor of constitutional government at Hillsdale College and author of “The Making of the American Mind: The Story of The Declaration of Independence.”

A century ago, progressive historian Carl Becker argued that whether or not we have natural, inalienable rights as described in the Declaration had become a meaningless question. He believed that the idea of natural rights was not a veritable truth but merely a creed or faith of the men of his time and a product of historical circumstances.

Spalding disagrees. He argues that the existence of natural rights and natural law lies at the very heart of the Declaration of Independence. “It’s a claim of truth,” Spalding says.

Spalding regards the Declaration as America’s “epic poetry”: “It’s the heart of America ... really the heart of Western civilization.”

The founders saw themselves as part of, and as a continuation of, a deep and long tradition, in particular the Greek, Roman, and Judeo-Christian beliefs in natural law and free will.

However, after the American Civil War, early American progressives no longer viewed it that way, he says.

Their goal was to transform the United States into what they considered a modern state, and they turned away from natural law and God-given rights, and they viewed the U.S. Constitution as a “living document.”

Now more than ever, it is vital to rediscover the true meaning and importance of the Declaration, Spalding argues.

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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0:00.0

It's striking how often my own students will be kind of hearing some of these arguments about the founders of what they're thinking.

0:06.0

And it strikes them as, oh, that's what I was just observing the other day.

0:11.0

This is about politics right now.

0:13.0

In this episode, I'm sitting down with Matthew Spalding, professor at Hillsdale College,

0:18.0

an author of The Making of the American Mind, the story of the Declaration

0:22.9

of Independence.

0:23.9

It seems almost odd that it's the Declaration of Independence that defines that anniversary

0:29.3

of 250 years, not the Constitution, which is what you might think.

0:31.9

It was clearly understood at the time to be not merely a Declaration of independence and sense that we're breaking with England,

0:40.5

but throughout the document, it clearly is setting of a new nation.

0:44.0

So they clearly understood it as being this, you know, birthday.

0:47.0

What I want to try to get us back to is a sense of limited government,

0:51.1

of human freedom and liberty at the centerpiece of all of it.

0:54.5

No government has rights. The people have rights. The declaration is the heart of America.

1:01.6

And in the modern day and age, the heart of America is really the heart of Western civilization.

1:06.9

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanya Kellick.

1:11.9

Matthew Spalding, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

1:15.4

Great to be with you.

1:16.8

You said something in your new book about the Declaration of Independence that really made me think.

1:23.1

He said, the American mind was not revolutionary, but it was radical.

1:30.5

Explain that to me.

1:33.2

Well, partially that stems out of my interest in the meaning of words.

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