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Conversations with Coleman

The Forgotten History of Slavery in the Islamic World

Conversations with Coleman

The Free Press

Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.5614 Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Justin Marozzi is a historian and author of Captives and Companions, a sweeping history of slavery in the Islamic world. Marozzi and Coleman discuss the origins and scale of the Islamic slave trade, the role of religion and law in shaping it, and why this subject has long been a historical blind spot in the West. They also discuss the trans-Saharan slave trade, the Barbary corsairs, and why forms of slavery still exist in places like Mauritania and Mali. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

What I've dedicated my life to is revenge.

0:04.0

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0:07.0

They think they're better than us.

0:08.0

Who do you think you are?

0:10.0

I'm going to prove to them that they're wrong.

0:12.0

She's punishing me.

0:13.0

You destroyed my family.

0:14.0

I will not rest until I've destroyed yours.

0:17.0

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0:20.0

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0:29.4

Okay, Justin Marazzi.

0:31.3

Thanks so much for coming on my show.

0:32.8

Thanks so much.

0:33.7

Great to be here, Coleman.

0:40.4

So I'm a huge fan of your recent book, Captive and Companions. I think, in my opinion,

0:46.4

it's the undisputed best and most comprehensive book that exists on the topic of the history of slavery in the Islamic world. And I've read several other such books.

1:03.2

I mean, the first thing that strikes me as interesting is that it's still so clearly possible to write the comprehensive account of this topic because there are so few books on it

1:10.6

relative to, say, slavery in the Atlantic world,

1:13.5

anywhere in the Americas, right? No one could publish a book on American slavery tomorrow

1:18.6

that was leaps and bounds more comprehensive than any other book on the subject because

1:25.7

there's just been too many books on it, right?

1:30.0

Yeah.

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