People are rooting through his garbage now in a way that they were not before.

Like, you've seen these stories sort of circulate all across on Twitter, on Reddit, on Hacker News, or whatever.

Like, I think the, like, rumor mill of what did he do has got people digging around.

And, like, I couldn't tell you either way, whether he has to worry about that or not.

All the attentions on him, and that is good and bad.

And that is the case for a lot of people whenever this shit happens.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Mike Isaac. Mike is a technology reporter at the New York Times and the author of

Super Pumped, the battle for Uber, which became a television show made by Showtime.

Now, I'm sure you've seen the drama that kicked off on Friday when OpenAI's board kicked Sam Altman out of the company.

There was ample questioning of why that had happened.

Then the next day, there were reports that Sam might be coming back.

Then on Sunday, the board hired a new CEO, and so it looked like Sam wouldn't be coming back, and then he was hired by Microsoft, or at least so they said. Then Monday

morning, it looked like Microsoft wasn't actually hiring Sam, and he might be going back to OpenAI

at all. And now I will say this interview was recorded on Tuesday afternoon, knowing that the story would probably

change again after that, but we did have to kind of, you know, record it at some point and we

couldn't leave it until the last minute. And then, of course, Tuesday night, which we don't discuss

in this interview, but we say is very likely a possibility. Open AI did put out a statement saying

that Sam Altman would be returning and that

the board had been basically refreshed to ensure that the people who opposed Sam Altman was

taken off of it. And now it's basically stacked with supporters of Altman and his vision for the

company. And that includes all white men, including Larry Summers, who you've probably heard of before.

You know, he's quite an influential figure, unfortunately.

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