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The Peter Schiff Show Podcast

The Fed Flinches, Powell Put in Play – Ep. 418

The Peter Schiff Show Podcast

Peter Schiff

Business News, Business, Investing, News, Politics

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 30 November 2018

⏱️ 35 minutes

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The Fed's Game of Chicken
The big news was yesterday, when Fed Chairman, Jerome Powell, basically flinched. I've been talking about the game of chicken that the Federal Reserve has been playing with the markets. The way the game of chicken goes, is the markets keep moving lower and the Fed keeps talking about how great the economy is and how many rate hikes are coming in the future. Somebody has to flinch - somebody has to blink. It's like you have these two automobiles driving toward each other, and there's going to be a major crash unless somebody turns the wheel.It seems like it was Jerome Powell who turned the wheel first, and, in fact, was chicken.
The Fed Is Worried About All Asset Prices, Not Just the Stock Market
As much as the Fed wants to pretend they don't care about the stock market - they absolutely care about the stock market. They are tremendously worried about a weakening stock market.  Remember the goal of quantitative easing was to lift the stock market - to create a wealth effect and it was that stock market-created wealth that was going to drive consumption and the economy. And it wasn't just the stock market; it was also the real estate market.  So the Fed is worried about all asset prices, not just the stock market.  Clearly the real estate market is in even more trouble than the stock market, but both of these markets were headed lower, and I think that is what really prompted the Fed to blink - to swerve in this game of chicken.
Powell Suddenly Dials Back the Narrative
Now, of course you also had President Trump pressuring the Fed, you had Mnuchin putting some pressure on the Fed, which I think should also be a worrying factor.  We don't really know. There was a lot of speculation about what was behind the Fed's change of heart - change in policy.  After all, up until yesterday, even when you had the Vice Chair speak, the tone was very hawkish: "Yep, we've got lots of rate hikes coming." And now all of a sudden, Powell dials it all back.  Basically, what Powell said that convinced people that maybe there will not be as many rate hikes in the future, is, "We're just below neutral. We're almost there, maybe one more rate hike ought to do it."
Is 2.25% to 2.5% Neutral?
First of all, we're still at 2%, so that would imply neutral is 2.25% or 2.5%. That really shows you how low the neutrality bar has been lowered given the enormity of the debt bubble that have.  Once upon a time, and not too long ago, a 2.5% Fed Funds rate would have been considered highly stimulative.

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0:00.0

The Big News was yesterday when Fed Chairman Jerome Powell basically flinched.

0:15.3

I've been talking about the game of chicken that the Federal Reserve has been playing

0:20.2

with the markets.

0:21.4

The way the game of chicken goes is the markets keep moving lower and the Fed keeps talking

0:28.3

about how great the economy is and how many rate hikes are coming in the future and

0:33.9

somebody has to flinch.

0:35.5

Somebody has to blink.

0:36.5

It's like you have these two automobiles driving towards each other and there's going

0:42.4

to be a major crash unless somebody turns the wheel.

0:47.2

It seems like it was Jerome Powell that turned the wheel first and in fact was chicken.

0:53.2

As much as the Fed wants to pretend they don't care about the stock market and they're

0:58.0

not worried about the stock market, they absolutely care about the stock market.

1:03.7

They are worried tremendously about a weakening stock market.

1:07.6

Remember, the goal of quantitative easing was to lift the stock market, to create a wealth

1:15.3

effect and it was that stock market created wealth that was going to drive consumption and

1:21.4

the economy and it wasn't just the stock market.

1:24.3

It was the real estate market and so the Fed is worried about all asset prices, not just

1:30.0

the stock market.

1:31.0

Clearly, the real estate market is in even more trouble than the stock market but both

1:36.1

of these markets were headed lower and I think that is what really prompted the Fed to

1:43.8

blink, to swerve in this game of chicken.

1:47.2

Now of course you also had President Trump pressuring the Fed.

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