The FBI, Part 1
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 23 June 2021
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
This is the latest installment in our ongoing series of historical inquiries with U.S. and Five Eyes intelligence agencies. Earlier episodes have featured CIA, NSA and GCHQ, and today, it's the first of a two-part discussion of FBI, featuring FBI historian John Fox. David Kris sat down with John for a whirlwind tour of the Bureau, from its founding through the era of prohibition and gangsters, World War II, the Cold War, abuses revealed in the 1970s, 9/11 and right up to the present, focusing on the use of wiretap evidence and intelligence.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.2 | Since Congress says I can have detectives and they give me money to hire them, why can't |
| 0:39.1 | I have a small force for my own department? |
| 0:42.1 | Not for the rest of the executive branch, just for DOJ purposes. |
| 0:46.4 | So it basically reorganizes. |
| 0:48.7 | He grabs, there was some P&H investigators, you know, the early civil rights crime, there |
| 0:53.8 | were some land fraud investigators, you know, basically they kind of went by different |
| 0:59.9 | titles sometimes, you know, investigator. |
| 1:02.5 | Some of them were called examiners and they were basically the accountant, you know, |
| 1:07.4 | they'd look for fraud in the US courts and books of the different circuit courts and things |
| 1:12.8 | like that. |
| 1:13.8 | And some of the, there were some early banking bills they might check, you know, bank |
| 1:18.2 | acts that they were enforcing as well. |
| 1:21.7 | So he took basically the detectives that were already in the department and then hired |
| 1:25.8 | eight or nine of those former secret service detectives permanently as special agents |
| 1:31.7 | of the department. |
| 1:32.7 | So as of July 1st, he basically had 34 special agents. |
| 1:39.0 | I'm David Chris and this is the LawFair podcast June 23rd, 2021. |
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