China's Civilian Army with Peter Martin
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🗓️ 22 June 2021
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Bryce Klehm sat down with Peter Martin, a defense policy and intelligence reporter at Bloomberg. Peter is the author of the new book, "China's Civilian Army: The Making of Wolf Warrior Diplomacy," which traces the history of China's diplomatic corps from the founding of the Chinese Communist Party to the present. They covered a lot of ground, from Zhou Enlai's impact on the Chinese foreign ministry to the Biden administration's first interactions with China's top diplomats.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.0 | When the crackdown came, it had this stiltifying effect on the foreign ministry and on embassies |
| 0:41.4 | overseas. |
| 0:42.6 | So that order came right from the top and Chinese diplomats including then foreign minister |
| 0:50.2 | Chen Qi Chen didn't know the details of how or when a crackdown might come, Chen actually |
| 0:56.3 | learn from watching CNN. |
| 0:59.8 | The first instinct was this kind of prickly denial. |
| 1:04.9 | So that's oftentimes the place that Chinese diplomats go when they feel challenged is to |
| 1:12.0 | say nothing bad happens here. |
| 1:15.4 | You've read a bunch of lies and you're biased against China. |
| 1:18.1 | That's not necessarily because they believe it but that's just the safest thing to say |
| 1:23.2 | when you're worried that you might get in trouble or you're not quite sure what the right |
| 1:27.1 | course of action is. |
| 1:29.1 | And so that was repeated across the foreign ministry and as time went on, diplomats got |
| 1:36.0 | better with their talking points. |
| 1:38.0 | They became more confident in the line that they wanted to push about the students for |
| 1:43.4 | a small and troublesome minority and they were dealt with accordingly but you're lying |
| 1:48.6 | if you say that there were a lot of casualties. |
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