This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson.

I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones. Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing really well. I'm staying busy, as always. When am I not

busy? I feel like I'm always busy. You've got a lot going on. But I think, do you have an

active investigation going on? You're cheating on me. I know I talk about that all the time.

First was Small Town Dixon, now with who? What's happening? Yeah, so, you know, I've been doing an active investigation.

It's actually for an audible project, and right now I can't necessarily, you know, provide the details.

But it's been going on for two years, and it involves a serial killer out of the Bay Area, who I, you know, got involved with back in

2011 as part of the original task force. And there's unsolved cases that this guy has committed.

And so part of my, you know, role in this active investigation is to try to identify, you know, the other,

the other cases that he has never been convicted of. And it's been a roller coaster ride to,

I mean, it's just been absolutely crazy. The twists and turns, I had no idea how this thing was going to play out. In fact,

I didn't think anybody was digging into this case. I thought it was a forgotten case. And then it

turns out that I have who I would describe as a professional friend.

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