Hey everyone this is Jonathan Cape Heart. Welcome to K-pop. In different ways

Lucy Macbaff and Duane Patterson are victims of gun violence and

compounding their trauma is the

pernicious omnipresence of race. In this episode you're going to hear one of the

most powerful interviews I've ever done as a mother who lost her son over loud music and a young man who survived

being shot in the head talk about the pain of coping with the violence they've endured and a society

that still doesn't fully get it.

We're always constantly being police for our emotions and I can't I refuse to do that because that little that being inside me can't live.

The conversation is deeply personal and raw and may be disturbing for some but listen to the

podcast to find out what they've been through, how they're healing, and how they're trying to help others

right now. Duane and Lucy, thank you very much for coming in and being on Cape Up today.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So you're both victims of gun violence in different ways.

And Duane, I want to start with you, but just asking you to tell your story.

The story of my gun violence champion incident begun going into my senior year in high school.

And we're talking Baltimore.

Yes.

East Baltimore, just returning from John Hopkins University's summer job.

And while on the bike traveling to my aunt's house,

I picked my head up and I realized there was a gunman at my side.

And he asked me to kick all my stuff out all my belongings,

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