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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reid Gaeland. Today, I'm joined by John

John is covered American politics and culture for two decades as a city desk reporter in Washington,

DC, as a White House correspondent, and as a national affairs correspondent covering two

presidential campaigns. Today, he's an author and senior political correspondent for Yahoo News.

He's also the host of The Long Game Podcast and publisher of the sub-stack newsletter, Order

Stalkers. His latest book, which came out earlier this year, is Testimony, inside the Evangelical

movement that failed a generation, and it's available wherever fine books are sold. John,

welcome. Hey, Reid, thanks for having me. It's great to see you and talk with you.

No, it's good to see you too. It's been far too long, so let's talk about the book, so it's called

Testimony, inside the Evangelical movement that failed a generation, and one thing I found

John is that I don't want to say that you and I were on parallel tracks growing up, but you grew

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