Right, home from work, walk the dog, kids are back.

Mom!

Up the stairs for something.

Ugh, back down, no idea what I went up for.

Mom, what's for dinner?

Chop, sizzle, done.

Hello, fresh, can't slow life down, but it makes bringing everyone together around the table a whole lot easier.

So it's phones down, forks up.

Hello Fresh. Bring back dinner time.

Okay, I wanted to do this. I wanted to meet you.

I heard about you from my friend Sean Ryan, wonderful man, who was going on about you and the work that you're doing on the darkest things happening on the internet, which we'll talk about in a minute.

But he said, this is a guy who really understands how to use the internet.

Just open source.

And also non-open source, and also an expert on hacking.

So let's just start there.

What can you learn about someone you've never met on the internet open source?

Basically everything.

And what I did with you, because I was told in advance that you're not really a computer guy. I don't own a computer, actually. You don't even own a computer. I do not own a computer. I have an iPhone, which is, I don't know how different that is from a computer. I haven't owned a computer since 2011 because I just disapprove, basically. Well, to each his own, right? But that is a computer that you have right.

Yeah, it is a computer.

You're totally right.

Back when I was, even when I was a kid, that thing's like 10 times more powerful. You're totally right. And I always say, I don't have a TV, but like I get X or whatever YouTube on my phone. So it's like a distinction without a difference. It's just, it's an absurd pretense that I keep up.

Hey, well, it's a, you know, when I was doing the research, I confirmed that, you know, running your phone number, running your email, there's not many accounts connected to them. So it's- No accounts. Yeah. I don't have email that I use. I don't have email really. And I've had the same phone number since 1995. I mean, I found some old, and I'll show you in a second, but the old news-related emails, there was one with S. Carlson, at, you know, there's an, I found all your old emails, but it doesn't seem like anything is active. So, for me, the 20-minute challenge was, you know, I think you might, you might shocked. So it's a 20-minute challenge, 20 minutes to find out what you can about somebody? That's all. We called it out in the office, you know, just to see what we could find on you. And let me pull out my laptop and show you. So you do own a computer, is what you're saying. I own a lot of computers. I am a nerd.

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