The next interview in our Best of 2022 series was one of our most watch conversations this

year.

In this interview Maggie Lake speaks with geopolitical strategist Peter Zahun as he lays out his

view for what he believes the world will look like in five years as we move from globalization

to what he calls regionalization.

Hi Peter. Welcome back to Real Vision. It's great to be back.

So you have a new book coming out this month. Congratulations. The title is The End of

the World is just the beginning. Mapping the collapse of globalization and you don't

mince words in this at all. In the introduction you write or you say we've been living in

a perfect moment and it's passing. The world of the past few decades has been the best

it will ever be in our lifetime. Instead of cheaper, better, faster, we're rapidly transitioning

into a world that's pricier and worse and slower. Our world is breaking apart. That

is pretty ominous sounding. Talk to me a little bit about what forces are driving this

transition.

I think it's good to talk about what forces created the world we know. The whole idea

of globalization is that anyone can go anywhere at any time and interface with any partner

by any commodity ship into any market without needing a military escort. That was something

that was unheard of before World War II. The world used to be imperial. The Americans

created globalization, patrolled the global ocean so we could all do all these things.

But it came at the cost of subjugating your security policies to the United States for

the Cold War. We basically bribed up an alliance. It worked. But the Cold War ended 30 years

ago and in the last seven presidential elections, we've gone with the candidate who is less

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