People are comfort seekers.

Whenever you look to an external solution to solve an internal spiritual problem,

eventually the external solution will become a bigger problem than the one it was intended to solve.

Welcome back. I'm with the insightful, amazing Ian Cron. You may know him as the co-author of The Road Back to You, famous Enneagram book. He is prolific author, a therapist. He's also a priest. He is a man who knows a lot of stuff. He has written a book

called The Fix, all about the 12 steps, making it accessible in our daily lives. If you are someone

whose life hasn't been touched by addiction, I don't know what kind of life you're living,

whether we have dealt with our own, whether shopping addiction

or substance addiction or love somebody else with an addiction, addiction does touch our lives.

I think we're all a little social media addicted right now. But Ian does something really special

with this project where he talks about how the 12 steps can just be a trellis with which we

become more emotionally healthy, that it's not about, you know, a group in a basement,

smoking cigarettes and drinking a bunch of coffee, that it's something really accessible

and it's something important for our spiritual growth. I'm excited for you to listen to this show. I think it's a very important show. We even go into

what does it look like to love people who are struggling? How do we make sure we are not

actually enabling them? So we talk about all sorts of things and at the end, Ian, of course,

gives us some amazing recommendations.

Now, without further ado, here is the amazing Ian Kron.

Ian, I am so excited to have you on the show.

You are the person who really gave language and understanding to the Enneagram for so many of us. So I remember flying on a plane,

reading about the seven in a way that I had never understood before and crying, going,

everything I'm doing in my life is terrible for a seven. There is nothing wrong with me. I'm just a seven.

That's good. So you are, quote unquote, the Enneagram guy. You had tremendous success with that book.

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