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The Town with Matthew Belloni

The Ellison Empire Strikes Back: Paramount Goes Hostile

The Town with Matthew Belloni

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Society & Culture

4.31.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Matt is joined by Peter Supino from Wolfe Research to discuss Paramount launching a hostile takeover of Warner Bros., days after they agreed to a deal with Netflix. Peter maps out the differences in each bid and makes the case for and against each bidder. They also talk about the latest comments by David Ellison, Ted Sarandos, and Donald Trump, where the financials are coming from for Paramount-Skydance, and ultimately who has the upper hand (02:27). Matt finishes the show with a prediction about the 2026 Golden Globes (27:30).For a 20 percent discount on Matt’s Hollywood insider newsletter, ‘What I’m Hearing ...,’ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your thoughts! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thetown@spotify.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Host: Matt Belloni Guest: Peter Supino Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It is Monday, December 8th. It's a war. As I predicted on this show, David Ellison and his

0:05.7

Paramount studio have gone hostile for Warner Brothers Discovery. This morning, the Ellison sent a letter to

0:11.2

our guy David Zasloff and his board at Warner Discovery, arguing that it's all-cash-thirty-dollar-a-share

0:16.6

offer for the owner of HBO Max and the Warner Brothers Studio is a better deal for the company

0:21.9

and more likely to pass regulatory hurdles. So they're going directly to the shareholders now.

0:26.9

This is days after Warner settled on a deal with Netflix for nearly $28 a share in cash and stock.

0:32.8

$30 is obviously bigger than 28, especially in cash. But remember, Ellison would be buying all of Warner Discovery,

0:39.6

including the low-value cable network CNN, TBS, T&T,

0:43.4

and Netflix has agreed to buy just the studio and streamer.

0:47.0

So the difference in the bids here kind of comes down to how you value those cable networks

0:50.8

that are about to be spun off into a separate company.

0:53.9

Are they worth a dollar a share, like Ellisonison says or three, four, even five dollars a share as Netflix hopes?

1:00.2

The higher the value assigned to them, the more likely Netflix made a comparable bid because it leaves

1:05.4

behind all these valuable assets to prop up the overall value of the company.

1:10.1

The lower the value of those assets,

1:11.8

the more likely the Ellison's bid is bigger with those assets included. Got that? It's a little

1:16.4

confusing. Ellison went on CNBC this morning to plead his case, and Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos

1:22.2

happened to be speaking at the UBS conference in New York. So we got a real back and forth in real

1:26.8

time today. We're really here

1:28.7

to finish what we started, Ellison said, and later Sarando's countered by saying the Ellison move was

1:34.3

quote, entirely expected. We have a deal done and we're really happy with the deal for shareholders,

1:40.0

for consumers. It's a great way to create and protect jobs in the entertainment industry.

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