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Hello and welcome to The Edition, the Spectators' weekly podcast discussing some of the most important and intriguing

issues within our pages with the writers behind them. I'm Cindy Yu. This week, as the government

starts to looking at easing the lockdown, how much do we still not know about this virus? Also on a podcast,

have Joe Biden and the Democrats being caught applying double standards?

And at the very end, the upside of lockdown for new parents.

In this week's cover piece, Matt Riddley writes about the problem with taming the virus.

Matt joins me now, together with Dr. Elizabetho Grapelli, who is a virologist at St. George's University, London.

Matt, I think the problem you describe can be neatly summed up by your opening line in a magazine.

We know everything about SARS-Co2 and nothing about it.

Can you tell us about this COVID fog?

Yeah, well, you know, it's puzzling, isn't it, that we can be so good at knowing its molecular biology, its genome sequence, what its genes are, how many there are what they do, and yet we don't really understand how it's spreading.

We don't understand the epidemiology nearly well enough. We don't know whether young people are passing it on. It seems like they possibly are not very much.

I mean, why are some countries

seeing big epidemics and others not? Why isn't it exploding in India and Africa, which many

people feared it would do? There are all sorts of things we don't know about it, and that's

the fog that we have to act in. But we can't wait for knowing a lot before we act.

Elizabeth, one of the things that we've heard a lot about is the science.

As a scientist yourself, what do you make of that phrase?

Yes, science is a word that we use a lot, but I think we use it in a very different meanings.

Sometimes we just mean the scientific community, sometimes we

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