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Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator.

Each week we look at three pieces from the magazine with the writers behind them.

I'm William Moore, the Spectator's Features Editor.

And I'm Laura Prendergast, the Spectator's executive editor.

On this week's episode,

we'll be weighing up the candidates for the Republican nomination, asking whether Rishi Sunak has made the right decision on small boats and learning about the world of destructive

performance art. First up, it's Ron v. Don. In his cover piece for the magazine, Freddie Gray anticipates the fight between Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump for the Republican nomination.

Freddie joins us now alongside the Spectators Washington editor, Amber Rathy.

Freddie, you write this week that Trump supporters see Ron DeSantis almost as the establishment candidate.

Do they have a point?

Oh, absolutely they have a point.

I think the establishment, the old Republican establishment want Ron DeSantis,

all the sort of sophisticated pollsters in America, the well-paid pollsters,

they all want Ron DeSantis because they think that he will win.

And they also have a sort of disdain and disgust for the Trump movement, which they regard as

kind of working class and a bit disgusting. And a lot of the Republican donors, including a lot of

donors who backed Trump, who supported Trump, that were never very comfortable with him,

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