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The Edition: Britain's billionaire exodus, Michael Gove interviews Shabana Mahmood & Hampstead's 'terf war'

Best of the Spectator

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🗓️ 15 May 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

The great escape: why the rich are fleeing Britain

Keir Starmer worries about who is coming into Britain but, our economics editor Michael Simmons writes in the magazine this week, he should have ‘sleepless nights’ thinking about those leaving. Since 2016, nearly 30,000 millionaires have left – ‘an outflow unmatched in the developed world’.

Tax changes have made Britain a ‘hostile environment’ for the wealthy, yet we are ‘dangerously dependent’ on our highest earners: the top 0.01 per cent pay 6 per cent of all income tax. If the exodus is ‘half as bad’ as those he has spoken to think, Simmons warns, a 2p hike to income tax looms.

Michael joined the podcast to discuss further, alongside private wealth specialist James Quarmby from advisory firm Stephenson Harwood. (1:04)

Next: Michael Gove interviews justice secretary Shabana Mahmood

‘There’s a moment of reckoning to come’ Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood tells The Spectator’s editor Michael Gove in a wide-ranging interview in the magazine this week. Gove writes that he has a degree of sympathy for her, given he occupied her post for 15 months several years ago; ‘it’s the most glamorous and least attractive job in the cabinet’ he writes.

The interview touched on grooming gangs, AI and the oath she swore on the Quran. You can hear an extract from the interview on the podcast but, for the full interview, go to Spectator TV (16:08)

And finally: ‘pond terfs’ versus the ‘right on’

Zoe Strimpel highlights a schism that has emerged over Hampstead ladies pond in the magazine this week: whether trans women should be allowed to swim in the ladies pond. The division, between older ‘pond terfs’, who are against their inclusion, and younger ‘right on’ women, has only widened following the Supreme Court ruling. Far from solving the issue, the fight has only intensified.  

Zoe joined the podcast alongside Julie Bindel to discuss further. (27:48)

Hosted by Lara Prendergast and Gus Carter.

Produced by Oscar Edmondson and Patrick Gibbons.

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Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator,

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where each week we shed a little light on the thought process behind putting the world's oldest weekly magazine to bed.

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I'm Gus Carter, the Spectator's Deputy Features Editor.

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And I'm Lara Prendergast, the Spectator's Executive Editor.

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On this week's podcast, we'll be looking at why the rich are fleeing Britain.

0:49.7

Michael Gove interviews the Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood,

0:53.0

and we look into the battle over Hampstead

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Ladies' Pond.

1:04.2

The rich are taking their money and leaving the country, according to Michael Simmons in

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this week's cover piece.

1:09.9

He writes that Kirstama is worried about who's coming into the country

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and this week launched a white paper aimed at cutting immigration.

1:16.9

But actually he should be focusing on who's in the departures lounge as well.

1:20.6

Michael joined us alongside James Kwambi, a private wealth specialist at Stevenson Harwood.

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And I started by asking Michael to take us through his

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investigation and the reasons why millionaires are leaving Britain. Rich people, and by rich people,

1:33.8

we're talking about the Uber wealthy, so billionaires, but also sort of anyone with wealth

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a million dollars or more, have been leaving sort of the country for about for about a decade now

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