Hello, welcome to the show. I'm, when you're watching this, probably in a festival in, in Germany,

um, having a mid-life crisis. So, what I decided to do before I go is have a chat with these two

brilliant younger authors than me. I was going to say, young authors, they're young,

Matthew Lawrence and Adrian Butler. I'll just take it Matthew. Jesus, honestly, take it,

you're younger than 38. Just, this is true, yeah, for a while.

Let's just savor that shall we? It won't last. You've got this book called

Owning the Future, a brilliant new book, uh, Power and Prosperity, in an age of crisis.

I wish I'd actually got the color just to flash up because it's got Adrian Butler like that,

and then Matthew Lawrence is kind of on the side and you've been tipped over. Yeah.

I don't know if there's any significance of that. Oh, yeah, I've sort of, you know,

is either, you know, there's whales that sleep vertically. Yeah, this whale sleep vertically,

like, so that's, that's what the Bible wanted to embody. I wanted to give an Adrian's book

valuable way. Look at this crossover. Well, I think you like. You should, and you should have

done a red circle around the tea because Matthew, in this case, is only spent with one tea, and

I would imagine your life is generally ruined by people putting tea teezing, you know. Yeah,

it's quite a good way of like, you know, a tip for anyone who randomly wants to email me, but it's

quite a good way of kind of noticing who pays attention to what they're actually writing rather than

just like sort of, it is someone that is like, de-matte with two teas, I'm like,

I mean, it is another way of looking up on Twitter because of

you're called Dante's head. Where Adrian Butler's, do you've got your name there? Yeah,

we're getting, I'm getting bogged down here, I think it's a bit of a tired issue. So this is a

self-described radical manifesto for the transformation of post-pandemic politics.

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