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The Richard Nicholls Mental Health Podcast

The Drama Triangle

The Richard Nicholls Mental Health Podcast

Richard Nicholls

Counseling, Happiness, Anxiety, Health & Fitness, Counselling, Depression, Psychology, Mental Health, Psychotherapy, Alternative Health, Self Help, Wellbeing

4.7685 Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2025

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Send us a text If you ever find yourself stuck in the same old arguments, playing out like a bad soap opera then that might be the Drama Triangle at work. Where we slip into roles of Victim, Rescuer, or Persecutor without even realising. So, today I’ll explain how the cycle works, why we get caught in it, and how to step out of the drama by choosing healthier roles instead. Support the show Join our Evolve to Thrive 6 month programme https://therapynatters.com Join the Patreon community http...

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0:00.0

Hi folks, hope you're doing all right today and there's not too many dramas going on for you.

0:05.7

Have you ever noticed how some arguments or family dramas seem to play out like a soap opera?

0:12.9

The same script, repeating over and over.

0:16.2

Someone feels mistreated. Someone else swoops in to fix it.

0:20.5

And before long, somebody's the villain.

0:22.4

That's what psychologists call the drama triangle.

0:27.5

Back in the 1960s, a therapist called Stephen Carpman noticed these patterns while studying human

0:34.1

behaviour.

0:35.3

He saw that in conflict, people often unconsciously take on one of three

0:41.5

roles, victim, rescuer or persecutor, and he drew them as the corners of a triangle. Problem is

0:49.3

once people step into that triangle, they tend to keep moving around it. So the victim role isn't necessarily

0:56.0

about being an actual victim of something awful, it's more about feeling powerless. It's the

1:01.7

why me mindset. People in this role see problems as happening to them, with little ability to

1:10.3

influence the outcome. On the service,

1:12.8

it looks like helplessness, but underneath, there's often a hope that someone will step in

1:18.3

and save the day. And often, someone does. Enter the rescuer. The rescuer feels compelled

1:25.9

to jump in and fix things, sometimes even when nobody's asked them to.

1:30.6

And they say things like, don't worry, I'll sort it.

1:34.9

It looks generous, but the motivation can be about avoiding their own problems or boosting their self-worth by being indispensable.

1:44.5

Over time, though, rescuers often burn out.

1:48.5

They feel drained, even resentful, because they've taken responsibility for someone else's life.

1:55.7

And then there's the persecutor.

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