Content warning, this episode contains discussion of murder, rape, and the abuse of children.

We talk a lot about the dead on the show, specifically the victims of homicides.

We feel compelled to tell their stories, who they were, how they died.

But it's important to remember that not all victims of a crime,

even a killing, even a murder spree.

Die.

In some cases, society doesn't even officially classify these people as victims.

In this episode, we speak with a man who was the son and grandson of serial killers.

This person, now a grown man grappling with his family history,

was made to suffer for the sins of his mother, stepfather, and grandfather.

And his story should resonate with anyone interested in true crime stories.

It's important to remember the children who are caught up in the background of these sad, horrible cases.

They are often left to deal with the disruptive and traumatizing consequences of violence at an extremely young age.

We're speaking, of course, about the donut shop killers.

As many of you know, Kevin and I appear on the New Wondry Podcast, families who kill the donut shop murders.

The series examines the story of Sherman McCraery and Carl Taylor.

Two men went on a multi-state spree of rape and murder back in the early 70s.

Please go check that out and leave a five-star review if you like it.

We were really thrilled to be a part of the program.

McCraery and Taylor, of course, brought their wives along with them on their violent rampage.

We discussed that last year.

But they also brought their kids and grandkids along.

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