The “Don’t Upset the Masks” Edition
Rational Security
The Lawfare Institute
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 15 October 2025
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin Wittes, Kate Klonick, and newly-minted Senior Editor Molly Roberts to talk through the week’s big national security news stories, including:
- “Peace by Piece.” The first phase of the Trump administration’s peace plan for Gaza went into effect on Monday, resulting in the return of the last living hostages held by Hamas to Israel, among other exchanges. President Trump celebrated the moment with a triumphal speech in front of the Israeli Knesset, followed by a peace conference at Sharm el-Sheikh where the United States signed a joint statement with the heads of state of Egypt, Qatar, and Turkey. While much work remains to be done on implementing the deal, even Trump’s Democratic political rivals have lauded the deal. How much credit does the Trump administration truly deserve? And where is the conflict likely to head from here?
- “Un-Civil Service.” Since the U.S. government shut down at the end of September, U.S. agency websites and emails have been plastered with messages unequivocally blaming congressional Democrats and the “radical Left.” It’s an unprecedented use of government resources for a set of messages that looks quite political—exactly what the Hatch Act, among other laws, was intended to prevent. Are these messages consistent with the law?
- “Out of Our Element.” China kicked off a major new phase in its economic war with the United States last week, when it imposed major new export controls and rare earth metals and components derived from them—materials essential to various high-end technologies, including the semiconductors that power artificial intelligence. President Trump has since responded with a threat to impose 100% tariffs on Chinese imports—but what China may really want is a relaxation of export controls on AI-related semiconductors. How big a threat is China’s weaponization of its rare earth exports? And how should the United States and its allies respond?
In object lessons, Ben shares his new campaign to troll the Russian embassy—an offensive involving 100 dead sunflowers. Kate has an existential crisis over her (old? new? what is time?) college sweatshirt. Scott gets spicy with a plea to listeners about what to do with his abundance of Bhut Jolokia peppers. And Molly brings a bit of beauty to the party with a Prinsesstårta, no doubt something she’ll be asked to make for the office.
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| 0:00.0 | Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop the pop and rock the patch. |
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| 0:22.2 | It's time to rock the patch. |
| 0:25.0 | Sarah V. Blemish barrier patches. |
| 0:27.2 | By now at Boots. |
| 0:32.8 | So the last time we at Kate on the podcast, we admired her extraordinary background full of knick-knacks. |
| 0:41.0 | But now you have competition because we have Ben Wittes here where his office is a whirlwind of knick-knacks at any given moment. |
| 0:50.5 | But I'm realizing we have like a nice parallel here because Kate over your shoulder, including a shirtless Vladimir Putin wearing a bear, as Ben's just pulled out for anybody watching on video. |
| 0:59.8 | But Kate, you have, I think was it Audrey Hepburn, his portrait that is over your picture? |
| 1:03.2 | Grace Kelly. |
| 1:04.1 | That's Grace Kelly over your shoulder. |
| 1:05.8 | And Ben, you have only slightly less beautiful face over your shoulder. |
| 1:08.9 | Tell us to this is this beautiful visage of vaguely ominous spookiness. |
| 1:15.2 | I mean, it is a mask. |
| 1:16.9 | Part of a set, actually, right? |
| 1:18.1 | It's part of a set of very disturbed-looking masks. |
| 1:23.9 | Well, where, like, these have become an artifact of the law for offices that I feel like we haven't, like, given enough due credit for, along with the weird severed bunny suit head that is also hanging out on our shelves. |
| 1:34.5 | That's a, that's a B-roll for another time. |
| 1:36.2 | Like, tell us about these masks. |
| 1:37.3 | I want to know more about these masks. |
| 1:37.9 | Well, so the masks came from Kenya. |
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