So I'm building a house with my dad on land that I grew up on, starting a long-term investment

with a winery, and learning about Bitcoin all at the same time.

Having my brain break coming out of it now as a winemaker selling his wine for Bitcoin.

With the Bitcoin treasury and the attitude, you're incentivized to just keep doing the right thing,

especially as the currency is debased and your costs of operating is going up on an annual basis. Yeah, Bitcoin's just sitting there for anyone. And in the wine world, you kind of have two choices. You can go big or you can stay small. In the middle ground, you die. There's a clip with Trump talking about, oh, and you could buy things with Bitcoin. It takes a lot of pressure off the dollar. And it's a great thing for our country. So we're in the midst of some big change. We're part of this for turning, right? Things are going to get so bad over the next five to ten years. Something really bad is going to happen because of these rotations through history. What if it doesn't? That's where I'm at. I'm going to stop focusing on that. I take take the weakest full market ever in exchange for the weakest

fourth turning ever.

Which sounds crazy to people who haven't gone down the rabbit hole.

All right.

Cool.

Well, Ben, glad to have you here. Thank you. Yes. And so I discovered you on Twitter and you have some wicked memes that you post. And you're a winemaker who's selling your wine online to Bitcoiners now. Yep. That's what I do.

Yeah. So as a cultivator, I've found what you're doing to be pretty fascinating, and I got a lot of respect for it.

I don't know a whole lot about cultivating wine.

So I kind of want to dig a little bit on that.

And so to begin, how did you get into growing grapes and producing wine?

My dad always wanted to have his own farm and grow all his own food for retirement.

And so when I was eight, we moved from Austin, Texas to small town in western Colorado.

Dad bought a farm, started planting everything to grow for himself.

And then he cut out a huge block of

apple trees we had that weren't producing. And his buddy, who was a winemaker who grew peanut

noir, said, if you plant these grapes, I'll buy them from you in four years when they start

producing. Nice. How many acres? So that was three and a half acres. Uh-huh. And he did that,

got a first production of grapes, maybe three years in. And the winemaker said, no, I don't want

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