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Autocracy in America

The Dissident

Autocracy in America

The Atlantic

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.8999 Ratings

🗓️ 25 July 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

What is a dissident? In an autocracy, standing against the rulers could mean harassment, prison, torture, even death. Dissidents stand up anyway.  Host Garry Kasparov is joined by Masih Alinejad, whose work for women’s rights against the Islamic Republic of Iran has led to her exile in the United States. It has not ended her fight, nor has distance made her safe—she was targeted for assassination at her Brooklyn home. Masih and Garry discuss the importance of safeguarding the values of democracy before it’s too late. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/listener. Garry chairs the Renew Democracy Initiative, publisher of The Next Move. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What is a dissident?

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In an autocracy, the line is brightly drawn. The ruling authority is unjust.

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The people have no legitimate voice in their destiny or that of the nation. Standing against

1:19.9

the rulers could mean harassment, prison, torture, even death. Dissidents stand up anyway. If that is too long a definition, here is another

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one. A dissident is Masi Alinajad. She's my friend and the guest in today's episode.

1:38.5

Her brave stand for women's rights against the Islamic Republic of Iran has led to her exile in the United States,

1:45.6

but it has not ended her fight.

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Nor has distance made her safe.

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She was targeted for assassination at her Brooklyn home,

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