Welcome to the Dig, a podcast from Jacobin magazine. My name is Daniel Denver and I'm

broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island. Today we have a special different sort of

episode. We're doing a four part, is it four parts?

Is that right? Yeah, four. Or three?

Four. Maybe someone aspirationally. We're doing a four-part series on criminal justice and mass incarceration

in collaboration with another podcast called Cited out of the University of

British Columbia.

Also, this series is made in partnership with the University of Washington Center for Human Rights

and Harvard Law School's Fair Punishment Project.

That means today I also have co-hosts.

One of them is Sam Fenn and the other is Catherine Beckett.

Sam, you are the host of Cited.

If you could just say a little bit about what that is.

Yeah, so Cited is a nerdy podcast basically where we kind of like each week try to get

dig down deep into to one policy or like one piece of research that informs policy.

So we've done these kind of radio documentaries in the past

about, most recently about a heroin clinic where we're a very small group

of people in Vancouver get heroin that's prescribed by doctors and bought by the

Canadian government we've done stuff with Catherine Beckett,

who's also you're about to introduce,

about the myth of the super predator in America. And we're just kind of a storytelling show that

looks at the world of research and academics. So kind of like the dig more

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