The Dictators’ Cartel and What It Wants – Anne Applebaum talks to Gavin Esler

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

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🗓️ 24 July 2024

⏱️ 31 minutes

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The existential threats to world stability are working together. Autocrats in Moscow, Beijing, Tehran and Pyongyang are moving in concert with both their clients and fellow travellers in Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Myanmar, Belarus and other despotisms. United not by ideology but by a love of repression, wealth and power, these new tyrants strike deals to consolidate their control and threaten their shared enemy: us. What does this League Against The Nations want? And how can we combat it? Pulitzer-winning author and historian Anne Applebaum talks to Gavin Esler about her new book Autocracy, Inc: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World. • “Putin began his career by stealing money from St Petersburg, laundering it and bringing it back… His path to power came through Western financial institutions.” • “It’s one thing to fight a dictator with a bunch of soldiers in his palace. It’s another to fight one who has billions to buy the latest technology – or just bribe people.” • “Putin developed a scorn for the West. ‘You let me steal, you’re corrupt.’ And the conviction that the West is corrupt feeds into modern autocracy.” • “The kleptocracy comes first. The autocracy follows.” • Incogni keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – Go to Incogni.com/thebunker to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support This Is Not Drill on Patreon to continue by backing us on Patreon. You’ll get early, ad-free editions, merchandise and more. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:28.0	in Cinemas Thursday July 25th. He is. Here's a geocolicical quiz. What do the following have in common?
0:48.0	Pradimir Putin, Jee Xin Ping, the leaders of Zimbabwe, Iran, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, Myanmar, Belarus and others.
0:59.0	Not much, but they are all
1:03.2	driven by some very similar ideas. They all deprive their citizens of any real
1:09.1	influence or public voice, loath being held accountable, and all share a love of wealth and power.
1:16.6	That at least is the verdict of the American journalist, historian, and author Anne Applebaum
1:21.1	in her new book on how a group of diverse dictators want to run the world,
1:25.3	or at least they're parts of it, and how they cooperate, driven not by ideals, but by deals. They also have the same enemy, us. I'm Gavin Esner and this is not a dream. So, Welcome back and thanks for joining us.
2:03.0	Anne Applebaum is perhaps best known around the world as a staff writer on the Atlantic magazine
2:08.0	but also for her Pulitzer Prize winning work as an author of many books including those on communism and the threat posed to
2:15.0	democracies around the world. I spoke to Anne ahead of the release of her
2:19.2	brutally incisive new book Autocracy Incorporated.
2:23.2	It's out now published by Penguin Books and you can find a link to purchase it
2:27.5	in the show notes of this episode.
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